Korean women's doubles players (from left) Kim Min Jung, Ha Jung Eun, Kim Ha Na, Jung Kyung Eun
The Badminton Korea Association (BKA) has decided to add injury to injury for Korea’s women’s doubles players involved in the match-throwing incident that tainted the recent London Olympic Games. After the Badminton World Federation (BWF) already ejected both of Korea’s women’s doubles pairs from the Olympics for attempting to throw matches, the BKA has also decided to suspend the four players – Kim Min Jung, Ha Jung Eun, Kim Ha Na, and Jung Kyung Eun – for two years from playing both domestic and international matches (see related article here).
Korean national badminton team Head Coach Sung Han Kook (left), women's doubles coach Kim Moon Soo
The BKA has also terminated both Head Coach Sung Han Kook and women’s doubles coach Kim Moon Soo for their role in the incident. The players and coaches have until August 21st to appeal before the Executive Committee hands down a final decision.
Although the International Olympic Committee (IOC) has reportedly asked the three national OC’s to investigate the roles played by coaches in the affair and Chinese Head Coach Li Yongbo has accepted responsibility on China’s end, the BKA decision is the first reported internal decision on the matter. Several players and other commentators, including men’s doubles silver medallist Mathias Boe, have expressed their displeasure with the players having borne the burden of punishment, to the exclusion of, among others, the BWF, whose format change for these Olympics they say was the real cause of the fiasco.
Please record your position in the poll below and feel free to provide more detailed opinions in our comment section.
Do you agree with the BKA punishment of Korean coaches and players?
- I disagree. Neither the players nor the coaches should be punished further. (35%, 223 Votes)
- I disagree. The coaches should be punished but not the players. (29%, 185 Votes)
- Yes and no. Both players and coaches deserve extra punishment but the BKA was too harsh. (24%, 153 Votes)
- I agree. The punishment is fair. (11%, 72 Votes)
- I disagree. The players should be punished but not the coaches. (1%, 11 Votes)
Total Voters: 644
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It’s not 100% fair… the one who should receive punishment is the mastermind behind all those match-fixings. Many believed it was Li Yong Bo and he even admitted it. He had done this for years. Punish him.
While match-fixing should be discouraged and penalised… the south koreans and indonesians merely did what BWF had allowed the Chinese to do over the last one decade… inaction of BWF over the Chinese had portrayed that match-fixing in such a way is part and parcel of the badminton… All the fans knew even in Olympic it was the Chinese who started playing to lose the match… and the fans knew had South Korean players gone all out to win the match, (again) no action will be taken against the Chinese.
Then in the first match, after receiving warning from tournament referee, the south korean had won the match anyway. Had both side played to their true capabilities, the Chinese would be the favourite to win the match. Why then punish these South Korean players whom had won?
Everyone witnessed BWF didn’t disqualify the players from the first match. Hence for the second match between South Korean and Indonesian players, why blame them when it was again portrayed that such ‘losing’ strategy was allowed. If BWF had taken its stance right away, the second match wouldn’t ended up in such a way.
Please remember that match-fixing for Olympic started from qualification, which was 12 months ahead. At the end of the day, those qualification-fixing influenced the Olympic medal tally. Everyone clearly remember how many walkovers, match retired and injury claim were raised by the Chinese players. Lin Dan walkover to Chen Jin at the final of Singapore Open was the famous one. Shouldn’t something had been done? But they got no punishment.
So please punish BWF too. BWF should bear the responsibilities. BWF, please don’t point fingers at your members. Please look into the mirror. BWF promoted badminton and attracted players and spectators. BWF, your members – the players committed themselves over the last 4 years to achieve something at Olympic but your lack of action over the last one decade caused all these.
Although many believe the Chinese started this, but only two Chinese players were disqualified and six non-Chinese joined them. That was unfair.
I do 1000% agree with you!
Anam Helob: Yes, BWF is not blameless but i feel DQ’ing players, then suspended korea players for 2 years, firing coaches were too harsh. My guess is korea had a disaster performance at 2012 games, had korea won a gold in MD, MS, XD, WS, the penalty would be less severe.
You seem to target china team alot. This london game incident proved that if given the opportunity, other teams, INA and KOR in this case, would manipulate the game results too, so please dont finger all at china as like many others have in the past. If denmark or germany given the chance, would they do the same too? we don’t know.
In london game it also showed that alleged past fixing of china matches which i believe were just venting anger from losses of non-china teams. China was an easy scapegoat for any of non-china team losses. Even with DQ’ed WD pair, and injury of wang xing, china can still scoop up all 5 gold medals plus a silver plus a bronze.
The matchfixing by China previous to the olympics and the missing action by the BWF only made these incidents at the olympics possible.
But I am very sad that we will not see such fantastic athletes as Yu Yang and Ha Jung Eun any more.
May I remind everyone that the Japanese pairs also thrown away their last group match to be second in their group.
The reason they got away it scott free is because there are two willing partners, Japanese wanted to lose and the Taiwanese needed to win.
Maybe the silver lining will be a closer look at ALL match fixing…Including suspensions for such actions…..And the finger most definitely has to be pointed at the Chinese….most others dont need to do anything except win…
Cooler is absolutely right about the past cheating needing to be dealt with…
The past cheating or turning a blind eye to the fact is totally the fault of BWF…
Now it is the responsibility of BWF to make it right….
And address my pet peeve of not allowing colored shuttlecock….hihihi sorry about that….
Dude, stop calling it match fixing. its match throwing. there is a difference. match fixing is a winner predetermined so that there is financial gain.ei gambling. in this case the two teams both tried to lose. you cant gain anything when the two teams are disqaulified , can you? you should stop blaming the players and start blaming the real culprits, the bwf for making the mess to begin with. you obviously have no intention of any unbiased commentry, seeing as how you “love” the chinese badminton teams. A 4 year old could see through your biasness. PPl throw games all the time, or as you would call it” match fixing” Taufik throws games all the time when he knows its a lost cause. Soccer teams throw games ALL the time, hockey players, tennis players…THEY ALL DO IT. Dont balme the players , blame bwf. You cant ask the players to play for dogcrap and then expect them not to try can you? YOU would do the SAME thing if you were int hose teams shoes. Adn anyione who says otherwises is a liar and has never played any competitive tournament in their lives.Those two teams had to play each other when they already qaulified for the next round, and the winner was to play a harder draw. Now, if you were them, would you try? LOL. Can you sit there and tell everyone that you would do otherwise? Does that make sense to you? That a team has to play hard in a meaningless game , only to play a harder draw later? THE PLAYERS DIDNT MAKE THAT STUPID ROUND OR SYSTEM UP, ITS BWF. THE PLAYERS DIDNT MAKE THE MEANINGLESS GAME UP, IT’S THE BWF. YOU WOULD DO THE SAME DAMN THING IF YOU WERE THEM, SO STOP BEING SO BLATANTLY BIASED AND PURPOSELY IGNORANT. HOW CAN ANYHONE EXPECT PLAYERS TO PLAY HARD WHEN THEY ARE PUT IN A MEANINGLESS GAME? I’M SURE IN YOUR WORLD, THEY SHOULD PLAY 1005 FOR NOTHING. I’M SURE IN YOUR WORLD, WE SHOULD ALL WORK FOR FREE AND COPPETE FOR NOTHING. HAHAHAHAAAA
cambo, i didn’t say china was cheating in the past, i was referring to the allegation of game fixing by the losers. I also said even if so called cheating was removed, chinese players would still end up on top. Other team don’t fix not because of ethic but because they can’t do it due to low quality and limited players they have.
Going by the letter of the BWF by-law, the DQ’s WD players were exercising their best effort, ie to win the highest medal. With the money and time invested in olympic athletes, winning medal is in every athlete’s objective. You won’t convince me of saying that pro athletes went to compete in olympic game to entertain crowd and demonstrate sportmanship. BWF should had refunded tickets of the DQ’ed games as well as the WD semi and final games because they weren’t of highest olympic quality
The theory that the others might also have fixed matches is not a very convincing excuse for the harm the chinese team did to Badminton within the qualification period for the olympics.
There were also a number of matches between danish players during the qualification period and NOT even ONE SINGLE match was fixed. This is a chinese speciality
Cooler: your entire response has no logic whatsoever. and are just speculations on your end.
“Other team don’t fix not because of ethic but because they can’t do it due to low quality and limited players they have”. Have you ever seen a Danish pair or Indonesian pair playing each other and both trying to lose or one losing just to let the other have more rest to face the opponent in the next round? No. The chinese? ha. The head coach himself said he instructed his player playing Zhang Ning in the 2004 Olympic semifinal to give her an easy match so she’d have more rest for her final. And there’s an article here on Badzine describing how close to 20% (if i’m not wrong) of chinese-chinese matches ended up in walkovers/incomplete compared to chinese-other nation matches. Go look for it, the article is still up here somewhere.
“You won’t convince me of saying that pro athletes went to compete in olympic game to entertain crowd and demonstrate sportmanship. ” – then why are they playing in front of spectators? why are people paying to get tickets to watch? if they aren’t “entertaining” in any manner, why don’t they just go play in some random training hall behind closed doors? the fact that u don’t think pro athletes should demonstrate sportmanship says everything about your (lack of) integrity, unfortunately.
onto the BKA’s decision, while I feel that the athletes/coaches could have gotten warnings/fines for what they did at the Olympics, no a 2-year suspension/coaches kicked out. I just think this decision is wayyy too harsh, I feel really sorry for them =/ and these are their top two doubles pairs at the moment, the other up and coming athletes in this category in korea are still really young. I hope they appeal the decision and I hope it turns out better for them.
Gerhard, lets get this straight, China had done more benefit to badminton than the few shady allegation of walkouts or fixes you are condemning. Without china, badminton won’t get into olympic status so easily. Who does IOC listen to more, china or some lesser countries like Malaysia or Denmark even though the latter countries have more badminton history than china. In this WD disqualification, you and others all blame china, while INA and KOR were also DQ’ed. AlanY had point out Japan had also played to lose but they lucky having a cooperating opponent.
You said it’s chinese specialty. Young lad, first fixing occur back in the Swie King days. Here is a quote from his biography:
For 33 months starting in 1978, he was undefeated, one of his best periods. But outside those months, he suffered many defeats, too. Perhaps the best known of these was when he lost to fellow Indonesian legend Rudy Hartono in the 1976 All England final. Speculation was rife that he was asked to throw the match so Rudy could surpass the record set by Erland Kops, a top Danish player who had won the All England seven times. As to whether there’s any truth in this rumor . King only smiles.
“Winning or losing is what a game is all about. If I lose, then I lose,” King says. “The most important thing is that Rudy and I played for Indonesia. It was a victory for Indonesia, after all.”
If Indonesia wins, that all its matter to Swie King, he didn’t rebutt or correct any of the rumor or allegation of match fixing. Now when china wins for china, it’s fixing and damn china this and that.
Taufik is famous for walkouts, boycott and lack of effort when he know he can’t win. Why no outrage on this glamour boy?
guys like you constantly using china as a whipping boy show u know little about badminton
Yes, ther may have been cases of match throwing/fixing by others in the history of Badminton.
The accumulation of such incidents during the olympic qualification period by the chinese team is absolutely unprecedented in the history of Badminton.
It is also a chinese speciality that the do not even try to pretend to be fair!
You should also take into account that at the time when badminton became olympic China was far away from dominating badminton as they do nowerdays. So I am not sure about the role of China with respect to the olympic status of Badminton
Eve, playing random training hall behind closed doors doesn’t generate income for pros who play for money and other reward. It is IOC rules that players play to audience who bought over priced olympic tickets that fund the games. Yes winners get no financial reward at the games but the money and sponsorship they get when they go home is out of this world. We as fans and audience treat it as entertainer but entertaining is not in athlete’s goal, dream or pursuit. In fact, to concentrate and focus on their performance, they are traine to blank out and ignore the audience. Are u that naive???
correction: It is IOC objective that players play to audience who bought over priced olympic tickets that fund the games so rich organizers and rich corporation get richer.
If you guys want to talk about match fixing? Let start right from the beginning where IOC put a quota of maximum 3 players per badminton event. In the name of fairness of competition, why not let all the best athlete to compete in the olympic? This badminton quota only to hold back one country, China.
Here is list of players that couldn’t compete (automatic disqualification) in the 2012 OG even though they have higher ranking points than some lesser countries that able to play in the OG.
Du Pengyu (MS)
Wang Zhengming (MS)
Wang Shixan (WS)
Jiang Yanjiao (WS)
Liu Xin (WS)
Chen XiaoJia (WS)
Han Li (WS)
Cheng Shu/Pan Pan (WD)
Tang Jinhua/HuanXia (WD)
Liu Xiaolong/QiuZihan (MD)
He Harbin/BaoYixin (XD)
Jiaming Tao/Huan Xia (XD)
Why is this type of fixing is allowed?
How boring!
National quotas are not badminton specific. They are applied in all olympic disciplines, but only the chinese complain about that and use this as justification for cheating.
There are only 3 medals available! None of the players you mentioned had a realistic chance for a medal. There are also a numer of non chinese players thet would have deserved to play at the olympics, but could not (e.g. Kido/Setiawan).
I would also fear, that more chinese players would bring us only more match fixing/tactical matches.
By the way China has national quotas for PR China, Chinese Taipei, Honkong China and Macao.
This is really not Badminton specific. It applies to all sports as set by Olympic committee. US couldn’t send more athletics runners although they have many whom qualified. The same for Britain in cycling. Same for Australia in swimming. Same for New Zealand in rowing. Same for Chinese in diving. So please send debate that comment at Olympic page, no here.
Man, so many ppl in this world have a hard time fathoming common sense. It is within every athletes right to lose or throw any games they wish to do so. There is no law that ssays one has to try in any tournament. If a player wants to throw a game for his country, so be it. If they win no medal or a mdeal because of it, so be it as well. No one can tell anyone else what to do on the court. If someone makes it to the olymopics but decides to “not try” than who are we to tell him or her otherwise. China throws matches on it’s OWN players. No one from China is telling Denmark to lose to them. That would be match fixing. Throwing matches on the same team is not fixing, it’s called strategy. If the other countries want to pound each other into kingdomcom before the finals then let them wallow in their stupidity.Afterall, no one is forcing the Danes or Malaysians to do anything. China has never won any medal throwing matches, they win because their players win in the FINALS.The win in the finals becuase their players BEAT other players. It’s not that hard.It sounds like alot of jealousy and sour grape from other countries, nothing more. Does anyone remember when Maradona cheated with his “hand of god” hand ball during the finals? That kind of blatant cheating is worse than any match throwing. How hard is it to figure out? The IOC mafia wanted more omeny so the BWF instituted the turd round robin system. The players didn’t want to play for shite and threw the game, the ignorant public and the morons in the western media jumped on it to sell news, the IOC mafia was embarrased, came down on the idiots at the WBF, and the BWF monkeys had to disqaulify the teams in order to save their own asses.The IOC and the BWF monkeys set the players up to throw matches and when it all went wrong, they used the players as scapegoats.It’s not that hard to see…jesus.
FYI, Nomad, I can’t speak for all sports, but in badminton it IS required by the rules that a player or team give their BEST EFFORT at all times, regardless of score or possible outcome of a match.
Beyond that, yes China has been throwing matches off and on for a long time and BWF has looked the other way. I believe they have been allowed to look the other way by the fact that, for one example, when LIN Dan appears to lose to CHEN Jin, he seems to be trying, and CHEN Jin appears to be playing exceptionally well. Therefore they don’t always seem to be throwing matches on purpose. Injuries that allow walkovers as well, how can one sincerely question an injury as invalid? BWF does have rules that require doctors notes, and players can not withdraw from tournaments for an injury, and then suddenly appear fine and play in some other area a week later for example.
But I wish people would stop blaming the BWF for the problem, including Mathias BOE. What one person or organization does, does not compel another player to act in certain way. People are responsible for their own actions, their own choices, and to me it shows a great level of immaturity when people blame others for their own actions. Players and coaches involved need to take responsibility for their decision. It was a violation of a written law in badminton, so therefore you must expect if you’re caught you will have consequences.
However, given the culture I have heard of in Korea, the players if directed to do this match throwing had little recourse to refuse, or speak out about it, and were very close to “having” to follow the orders. Therefore, I think two years is a very long time for them.
One last thing, does anyone not think that if they wanted to throw the match, instead of serving into the net they could have tried to make it seem more like they were trying? I bet the world number one ladies’ doubles team from China could serve every game in the Olympics and maybe miss half a dozen serves into the net through the whole tournament. And yet they did it three or four times in a row in one game. Why didn’t they simply do some lifts that fell long out the back, or miss some smashes that were particularly acute in angle, or down the line or something? That’s what I really don’t get here…
Cory, ” I wish the people would stop blaming the BWF.” ARE YOU SERIOUS, BRO?pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssseeeeeeeeeeeeeeee…. Give it up . LOL. It’s prety damn obvious you work for the BWF monkeys. Next time try to sound like you have some common sense, or at least try to pretend to have some common sense. You don’t even try having an unbiased view , which you don’t. All that fake effort makes me wonder why you should go and play some meaningless round robin games for yourself first, then come back here and type some more nonsense. HAHAHAHAHHAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
Thank you for the not so insulting and demeaning response. Nice to see there can be respectful discussion when there is disagreement. Again I state that someone’s actions do not FORCE someone to do something. The decision is always the player’s to make. The BWF did not make the players decide to play poorly. Perhaps there are too many people in the world who don’t take responsibility for everything in their own lives, and like to blame others for what they do. So they are happy to abdicate responsibility from the players and coaches here. Face it, they had a choice to play well or not, and they chose to not try, and got caught.
And Cooler, the rule states that you must put in your best effort to win a MATCH. Not a medal. Therefore effort must go into each and every match, by badminton law.
Friends of badminton just because you don’t like the BWF or the Round Robin format, and yes perhaps that is a poor format for many reasons, does not mean you get to simply lower the standard for playing and performance. It’s a rule that you play your best in every match, to win every match. If a player decides oh I might not do that, then they need to accept consequences.
Oh please, ” players are required to give their best effort.” Cory, YOU obviously have never watched tennis, squash, hockey, baseball, soccer, football, cycling, or any other sport knwon to man.
As for chen jin throwing matches to lin dan and how it’s less obvious. I take it you’d rather watch a pretend match thats done with 60% conviction rather than one done with 15% conviction. Do you even hear yourself speak? Do you or your emploers the BWf have a machine that an monitor if a player is not trying hard enough? If not, then my advice is for you to start building such a machine. That way, you can tell who is trying and who is not.And whom ever is not trying 100% ALL the time should be disqualified. Man, that’s gonna be every athlete ever born. And while you’re building this “machine” why don’ we all hold hand and sing ” heal the wooorld,
make it a better place.
For you and for me
and the entire human race.
There are people dying…”
“It is within every athletes right to lose or throw any games they wish to do so.”
It is not! Pease read the rules of badminton!
100% correct….read this post and try to pay attention…
Cambo, you need to pay attention to something called logic. And while you’re at it, when you collect your paycheque from your employers, the monkeys over at the BWF, tell them to grow a brain and a pair.
Cory, the DQ’ed players were going by the BWF by-laws, they are putting in best effort to win medals. No where it said best effort on every rally. It has been acknowledged that the ‘best effort’ rule have been broken by every players who have competed in tournaments. The 1% portion i agree with you is that these 8 WD players should have done it more eloquently so the reference could overlook it. Again, as the results show, disqualification didn’t hinder china to win gold but only ripoff the audience further by having less exciting semifinal and final action. As i and Nomad said before, BWF trying to make IOC happy by switching to round robin format to sell more events to generate more revenue but it backfired. I say the #1 blame goes to the BWF as it was them that made badminton look bad internationally. The players, coaches were the victims and scapegoat for their stupidity. Why change something that worked fine before? Mo Money. If badminton wants to be popular and scandal free like tennis, why don’t BWF follow what the Tennis Association does?? How hard is for BWF to do?
Point of interest is that each game stands on its own merits….trying to win a medal is not the immediate goal…only winning the game is of immediate concern…
The final decision to follow the coaches or follow ones own mind of what is right and wrong is why the players were DQ’d….Ultimately it is the players decision….
The Victims were the audience…
The reasons for switching format had nothing to do with money so forget that angle…
The new format was to allow more games and more chances for a country to stay involved in the competition longer….
All the childish name calling is not called for on this or any civilized forum….
Quotas are used in all the events…
Please dont give China the credit for Badminton being in the Olympics…You want to credit something then look at the sponsors….without them we dont have much…Without China we have a more level playing field which has good and bad points…
Personally I love having the Chinese be the top dog as it gives the rest of the world a goal…
Can you stop the nastiness and name calling? It’s unnecessary and nasty.
Cambo, ‘Quota is used in all events’
are u half sleep? super series, all england, etc have no quota. That’s why taufik can’t win an all england title, it is harder to win than a Olympic gold but he got lucky in 2004 because taufik didn’t have to play against any chinese players to win gold. He beat an one eyed no name korean to take gold. A very lucky win in my book.
“Point of interest is that each game stands on its own merits….trying to win a medal is not the immediate goal…only winning the game is of immediate concern…”
Cambo, what do u or cambodia know about winning medals? Tell me about it again when you Cambodia do win a medal. LOL.
DQ’ing 8 top players hurt the audience even more.
Why did not win china MS Gold in 2004, if it was so easy?
Hi Guys,
I see you know a lot of lot thing about badminton so 2 questions for you.
For exemple for Man single, someone knows why are there 17 european players, 17 asian players and maybe 6 or 7 players for the rest?
The level of badminton between asia et europe is like between europe and the rest, no?
There are qualification rules an that is the outcome of this qualification. The same qualification rules are applied on all nations. None was gifted a place.
last poll count, 61% disagree with the disqualification to the players.
You clearly talk like you have the only right opinion, and yours is the only opinion that matters. Anyone who says different, or thinks different is stupid, retarded, ignorant, or working for the BWF. No one can see things differently than you, hey?
Let me tell you where you are wrong:
One, I do not work for BWF, thank you so much. That was pretty ridiculous.
Two, I did not disagree with that vote, as you stated. I voted that I agree that the punishment was too much for the players. FYI, this poll was not about being disqualified, it was about whether the punishment from the KBA was too harsh. Yes, it was too harsh for the Korean players. I state my opinion, so no one need listen to Nomad as he tries to state that he knows what someone else thinks.
Three, badminton has a rule that states a player MUST use one’s best efforts at all times to win a match. NOT win a medal, but each MATCH. You said there was no rule that stated that, you are incorrect there too.
And lastly, again, no tournament profile MAKES a player do something like throw a match. It is a player, or more likely a coach, who made that decision. Anyone who says someone made them do something is definitely too immature to realize they are always responsible for their own actions. Everything you do has consequences.
On that note, I feel sorry for Nomad. Clearly he thinks his is the only viewpoint that is right, and anyone else who sees thinks differently is not just wrong, but retarded, ignorant, or something else nasty for even expressing it. Living a life where you bully others, put them down, well I feel sorry for you, because one day all this will come back to you.
I believe that even if someone thinks different than me, they deserve to be treated kindly. Who could be so conceited to think that their point of view is so much better than anyone else, and therefore in order to feel good about myself, I need to trash the person, and treat them so poorly? That is the person I feel sorry for.
Now I resign from this conversation. No point in talking to someone who’s closed-minded, and makes a lot of mistakes in what he thinks is right.
Regarding the poll, here’s a quote: “Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.” ― Leo Tolstoy, A Confession
This forum has been degraded by a couple of individuals and I dont need to bother giving any further comments to such as the likes of you….
However, if at any time you can get off your ass and come play against me I would relish the idea….
And we most definitely can allow you to put your money where your mouth is to any amount you care to choose….
Why is it that people who dont know ship about badminton as can readily been seen from their stupid post on badminton forum continue to think your point of view is the only one…
And express yourselves in such childish, immature ways…
I am British, 64 yr old and I play 2 hours everyday in my own club…plus other training….
Please, please come play with me….
We will see who can put up or shut up…!!!
Besides all that what is it that gave you a stick up your butt about the BWF….???? Seems like you have a personal grudge against them…Or is it that they require NO CHEATING that gets your goat….hahahahahah
you read that Cambo? You should ‘read this post and try to pay attention…’
last poll count, 63.6% disagree with the disqualification to the players.
???
Did you read the questions and the possible answers?
Question: “Do you agree with the BKA punishment of Korean coaches and players?”
The poll does not cover the DQ of the 8 WD players, but the extra punishment of the Korean players and coaches.
64% do not like the EXTRA-punishment of KOREAN players or coaches.
That makes quite a difference
I have a small problem with a poll that is only in english language…The vast majority of people concerned about this problem are not english speakers…
But I am glad that the name calling has subsided….
We are all badminton players or enthusiast of the sport and we should understand each others point of view even though we may not agree with it…
We all agree that there was a major problem with the format this Olympics….but it was changed to allow more players from all countries to be involved in the medal race longer…
How can we make this happen and yet make it undesirable to throw a game…???
Anybody want to talk about colored shuttlecock…??? I think the BWF is racist, otherwise why they wont allow colored shuttlecock…???